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  • Re: "Posts That Pay" Forum Anti-Spam System Proposal

    @deweller Mmmm... ok. I feel a little silly for not seeing that at the beginning. But this approach makes sense to me now.

    So, in my mind, this is a LTB Points system. But we don't call it ltbcoincredits. We call it something else and the ratio is different.

    The ratio is different because the thing it gets you is worth more than 1 LTBCOIN, and it is a credit that has utility rather than LTBCOIN which is general. It's important that we don't think about it like an LTBCOIN system, it is selling a product that is denominated in and purchasble with LTBCOIN among other things

    For some reason, I have it in my head that the credit was only for forum posts. Can we use the internal credit (points) for other things? Would it be a divisible token that we could use for tipping small amounts?

    I think it would be good to have a standard denomination and then have more expensive things be multiples of it. i don't think we want fractional credits, thats what LTBCOIN is for.

    I do think that 100 LTBC per credit per post is a small enough number that we could make that the standard denomination since although it is very cheap or even free it's very immediately useful. 1 Credit (100 LTBc with 0% spam rate after using it to make a post) would be the minimum tip in this paradigm but you could totally sell all things for it.

    Some quick brainstorming examples of what we might want to use the credit for:

    • paying for up or down votes
    • tipping other users and content creators
    • promoting posts
    • buying display ads
    • buying profile flare

    Good stuff!

  • Re: "Posts That Pay" Forum Anti-Spam System Proposal

    @deweller

    @adam But LTBCOIN is not like microsoft points, this is why I think its better to have an abstraction that can be fixed value and literally be property that people purchase for its utility. It's functionally the same in terms of what it does for us, but it's a use of LTBCOIN not LTBCOIN itself which we want to have all its functions wherever it is being used. If we integrate LTBCOIN it should be two way.

    I agree a two-way integration is the ideal thing here.

    But I'm trying to avoid it because I think a one-way implementation is significantly easier when dealing with the legal and security issues.

    As am I, that's my point. If we don't allow LTBCOIN to enter our database-driven ecosystem and instead have a fixed LTBCOIN price denominated credit that is redeemed within our system for posting on the forums to power this anti-spam system than we get all the advantages without needing to make anything two way because there is an obvious path to getting LTBCOIN out of the system, following the rules and making non-spam posts.

    If we try to creat LTBCOIN credits we have all kinds of problems because we are representing LTBCOIN as both a token on counterparty and in our system, which has major issues. If we just use LTBCOIN payments on the blockchain to buy another fixed LTBCOIN denominated credit we have none of that problem and can do whatever we want because it is not directly comparable to LTBCOIN the token.

  • Re: "Posts That Pay" Forum Anti-Spam System Proposal

    But LTBCOIN is not like microsoft points, this is why I think its better to have an abstraction that can be fixed value and literally be property that people purchase for its utility. It's functionally the same in terms of what it does for us, but it's a use of LTBCOIN not LTBCOIN itself which we want to have all its functions wherever it is being used. If we integrate LTBCOIN it should be two way.

  • Re: "Posts That Pay" Forum Anti-Spam System Proposal

    @pooktwo

    • I do not like the public and private area. @tintin is right, this can lead to ideas not being accessed by one time users. TCA is great for specific projects but not half of the site. Also how would you choose which thread sections get to be public and private?

    Sure, i'm willing to disconnect this from the broad concept.

    • The credits is awesome! I think that is great, but what if we changed it a little. How about instead of distributing the lets say 10% spam credits among everyone, what if who ever flagged the spam would receive the credits from the spam? That would give an incentive for people to go spam head hunting. So if you dont flag spam, you dont receive the benefits

    The system i'm describing here is seperate from the upvote/downvote system, but yes I imagine it will find its way into the rewards program.

    • What if good spam hunter had a reputation system where if they have flagged enough spam that when they start flagging the spam it is removed from public view and sent to the LTB administration to review and make sure it is indeed spam. If it ends up being spam, then LTB can delete it permanently and if it didnt end up being spam, then it goes back to public viewing exactly where it was and the flagger receives negative feedback on his/her reputation possibly losing the ability to remove posts from public view.

    Sure, i'm open to something like this in more advanced versions of the system.

    • I think the small amount of LTBC to pay for credits is not a bad thing, as LTBC is supposed to be used for this site. So finding another use for LTBC is not bad and I would never even expect to see it back. If I get 100 credits and continue to flag and add content, unless I am posting 100 times a week that should last virtually forever.

    Right, just by posting normally you should never be net negative in this system and if we allow LTBCOIN shares to be automatically changed into credits than its an invisible system to people not posting spam.

    • It is good to note that someone might not want to go through the hassle of acquiring LTBC in order to purchase credits if they do not already have LTBC. What if you made it possible to buy the credits with BTC and LTBC? You said accepting other tokens is possible, but if they dont have LTBC and are coming to the site for the first time, they may not have any CP tokens.

    Yes, BTC, LTBC, any counterparty token we're interested in and Dollars too. Since credits aren't tokens there is no downside to selling them also for dollars. Obviously the rate would be best in LTBC, good in BTC, and the worst in dollars.

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