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  • btc_revel

    @cryptonaut

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    @cryptonaut @btcrevel

    Yeah its planned, will be replacing "likes" with the upvote/downvote mechanism in near future

    Having previously worked at Facebook in a data team I'm not a big fan of this idea.

    We had compiled over 7,000 pages of research that shows offering a down mechanisim simply makes people feel like they shouldn't be contributing. Even if only offered as a spam control system people will use it to downvote opinions etc they don't like and if they can see that happening they will get discouraged and stop participating.

    No matter how well intentioned a downvote system will breed negativity and the research completed showed even if it is said to be only for "spam control" if the end users can see the impact of a downvote.

    @adam thoughts on this?

    I've heared of that a couple of times and I think there is truth behind that. Only difference to most existing systems is that here you also get rewards. So to me it is a bit another story. But for sure it is never perfect to have downvotes. An alternative would be two levels of upvotes:

    • upvote/"like" (meaning: I agree, or I see your point , or some point you make are valid or some nice ne aspects mentioned, or good summary of the matter)
    • double upvote/"love" (outstanding point/opinion/idea)

    I called it double upvote/"love", because I didn't found a better term, but I guess you understand. I think that two up levels are enough (more would make it difficult). But two permit you to give out more votes without diluting the ones you think deserve special attention/reward/upvote

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  • adam

    @chainradio

    @cryptonaut @btcrevel

    Yeah its planned, will be replacing "likes" with the upvote/downvote mechanism in near future

    Having previously worked at Facebook in a data team I'm not a big fan of this idea.

    We had compiled over 7,000 pages of research that shows offering a down mechanisim simply makes people feel like they shouldn't be contributing. Even if only offered as a spam control system people will use it to downvote opinions etc they don't like and if they can see that happening they will get discouraged and stop participating.

    No matter how well intentioned a downvote system will breed negativity and the research completed showed even if it is said to be only for "spam control" if the end users can see the impact of a downvote.

    Our proposed implementation works like this:

    Each user can upvote or downvote whatever they want, from posts to other users comments. They may do one or the other (not both) once per post or comment. Voting up gives the poster recieving the upvote +.5 POP, which is our comparative metric so it gives you a little advantage compared to everybody else to recieve an upvote in the next proof of participation distribution.

    A downvote deducts .5POP from the person receiving the downvote (you earn 1 POP for visiting a new piece of content for the first time, 4 POP for making a post or comment to give you an idea. It costs this of both the person receiving the downvote, and also the person who is doing the downvoting (there will be a tool tip explaining this cost). The cost is non-refundable, this is the "bearhug the bad guy and jump off the cliff" option where you sacrificing yourself for the good of the land. It actually reduces the total pool of POP which makes all the remaining POP (that wasn't involved with the downvote, which is bad for everybody involved) worth a little more.

    We're going to use these metrics for the sorting of content. We're not really worried about people not wanting to participate because they are being incentivized to do so and it's natural that this get more competitive as time goes on.

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  • btc_revel

    @adam A downvote deducts .5POP from the person receiving the downvote (you earn 1 POP for visiting a new piece of content for the first time, 4 POP for making a post or comment to give you an idea. It costs this of both the person receiving the downvote, and also the person who is doing the downvoting (there will be a tool tip explaining this cost). The cost is non-refundable, this is the "bearhug the bad guy and jump off the cliff" option where you sacrificing yourself for the good of the land.

    Both sides: that's a good idea!

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  • CDJ990

    Sounds great!

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  • monbux

    Looks very interesting. Could you specify exactly how active our referrals would have to be in order for us to receive the 10 PoP points? Is it added to our PoP pool or is the "Affiliates" tab another pool altogether?

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  • ChainRadio

    @adam

    @chainradio

    @cryptonaut @btcrevel

    Yeah its planned, will be replacing "likes" with the upvote/downvote mechanism in near future

    Having previously worked at Facebook in a data team I'm not a big fan of this idea.

    We had compiled over 7,000 pages of research that shows offering a down mechanisim simply makes people feel like they shouldn't be contributing. Even if only offered as a spam control system people will use it to downvote opinions etc they don't like and if they can see that happening they will get discouraged and stop participating.

    No matter how well intentioned a downvote system will breed negativity and the research completed showed even if it is said to be only for "spam control" if the end users can see the impact of a downvote.

    Our proposed implementation works like this:

    Each user can upvote or downvote whatever they want, from posts to other users comments. They may do one or the other (not both) once per post or comment. Voting up gives the poster recieving the upvote +.5 POP, which is our comparative metric so it gives you a little advantage compared to everybody else to recieve an upvote in the next proof of participation distribution.

    A downvote deducts .5POP from the person receiving the downvote (you earn 1 POP for visiting a new piece of content for the first time, 4 POP for making a post or comment to give you an idea. It costs this of both the person receiving the downvote, and also the person who is doing the downvoting (there will be a tool tip explaining this cost). The cost is non-refundable, this is the "bearhug the bad guy and jump off the cliff" option where you sacrificing yourself for the good of the land. It actually reduces the total pool of POP which makes all the remaining POP (that wasn't involved with the downvote, which is bad for everybody involved) worth a little more.

    We're going to use these metrics for the sorting of content. We're not really worried about people not wanting to participate because they are being incentivized to do so and it's natural that this get more competitive as time goes on.

    I like the bearhug analogy. I am super, super curious to see how this plays out! Love the experimenting with new ideas :)

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  • sumantso

    One easy way to 'game' is to 'help me help you' system. I did that on Cryptsy - asked a friend to refer me while I referred him and both of us profited.

    You can also pay some amount to other posters here to put your name in.

    In short, I don't like this.

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  • Cryptonaut

    @sumantso One easy way to 'game' is to 'help me help you' system. I did that on Cryptsy - asked a friend to refer me while I referred him and both of us profited.

    You can also pay some amount to other posters here to put your name in.

    In short, I don't like this.

    if you and a friend decide to refer each other, is it really a bad thing if you both maintain the minimum level of activity?

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  • sumantso

    @cryptonaut

    @sumantso One easy way to 'game' is to 'help me help you' system. I did that on Cryptsy - asked a friend to refer me while I referred him and both of us profited.

    You can also pay some amount to other posters here to put your name in.

    In short, I don't like this.

    if you and a friend decide to refer each other, is it really a bad thing if you both maintain the minimum level of activity?

    I will maintain an activity anyway for PoP payment. This will just be a bonus for nothing. Not saying its a bad program, just that it might be easier to game the system than you think.

    So, who wants to be my referral buddy? :D

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  • ChainRadio

    Got my referral banner live on the Chain Radio website :)

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