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  • adam

    @junseth

    You've got about 22 hours left.

    Very cute.

    Tomorrow I'm creating a new usergroup called "Liar" for people who make repeated accusations they can't support with reality. If you don't belong in that category, this is your opportunity to prove it.

    You'll still be able to post like any other user, we don't want to censor anybody except spammers (even though what you're doing is a form of spam) But you'll have earned the public rank so people can go into your posts knowing you have a history of exaggerating, massaging facts and flat out lying to get attention.

    You've got my attention, can you prove any of your claims?

    Tick tock.

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  • adam

    @adam Thanks for correcting my misperceptions, sorry for distracting you from the challenge you face. You've got about 22 hours left.

    @adam

    @adam Just to make sure you didn't miss it, I've challenged you to show you're not just flat out lying. You've got a lot of words, if you haven't made it up you'll be able to find a single instance in my very public last two and a half years where what you say is happening all the time, has actually happened. This will be difficult of course because you're just lying and so can't back it up, but hey maybe i'm wrong and you've got some evidence to support your accusations

    @junseth

    a - You cannot find a single podcaster who we have worked with now or in the past who we've ever asked to make content changes unless it was a) about bad language because of the iTunes "All Ages" rating or b) that was a podcast not actually about cryptocurrency and thus not suitable for publishing. You've represented multiple times that specifically I am doing this but lets broaden it out and just say all of the LTBN. Can you find a single instance where your thesis matches reality?

    b - You cannot show a single instance of me censoring you, or anybody else for that matter. I'd suggest you start with the source @pooktwo who, although I have not discussed this challenge with him, I'm sure will answer any questions you have on the topic. You're welcome to look anywhere else you'd like. Can you find a single instance where your thesis matches reality?

    Since we both know you'll never admit your wrong, i'll just set the deadline for 24 hours from now. You can admit you're wrong, or present evidence that supports your arguements. You can post your evidence here in the forum and let anyone who is interested see and judge for themselves. If you prove me wrong, I'll appologize to you. If this challenge proves you wrong, we'll both just know you were unable to back up your accusations and that people will pay even less attention to you than they do now.

    Good luck, let me know if you need anybody's emails.

    You said that you can't do "b" because you can't prove a negative.

    That might be true, but if I am what you say I am, it should be easy to find someone who has had an experience with me that supports your view. Or is it really really difficult for some reason, maybe because what you're saying is baloney?

    Tick tock. What have you got besides the rewards program and that LTBN doesn't allow open public posting to the front page?

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  • adam

    At this point I think we can say that the bolded part is provably a lie. Do you disagree and have any evidence or hearsay to support it?

    @junseth We probably won't. We got kicked off the LTB network because Adam didn't like that we didn't like him censoring us. So his response was to throw a fit and censor us. Our thoughts: Whoooo cares? Haha.

    If you want to see our content on the LTB Network, I suggest you Email Adam. Let him know. But I don't think there is any world where that stubborn, bad-thinking butter will change his mind about anything.

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  • pooktwo

    So I really thought this was just going to be laid to rest, but apparently i was wrong. This all started with me trying to moderate the chit chat and obviously that one little mistake will not just go away. Mostly because i wont share private conversations i have with individuals is why you @junseth come to these conclusions, but i guess you are just gonna get it out of me. Here is exactly what happened and then i need to really be done with this and so do you and chris so that way all of us can expand counterparty in our own way how we see fit:

    1. I tried to change the chit chat to get a sharable link. I stated that this was the only intent

    2. After everyone started arguing and contacting me (and by everyone i mean EVERYONE, not just people in the chit chat or at LTB, but from all corners of counterparty. I talk to a lot of people in this space because i have always made myself available). Even ask @brighton36 he was mad at me once because i was talking to an important project that wanted to do counterparty integration and i didnt share that with him (not because i was hiding it, but because i literally talk to many many projects and thought it was a simple meet and greet).

    3. After hearing from the community about the new chit chat I called on the telephone @brighton36 to tell him what has been going on after i recreated the chit chat. I asked HIM, not adam, not LTB, not @junseth, not anyone but my fellow board member on the fact that I THINK we should moderate the new chat room instead to help the entire community

    4. Chris told me that what happened would indeed happen if i tried to moderate it, but he told me that he would support my decision if i wanted to try and that he would not give any resistance to me.

    5. I told Chris that i would like to do it and we both decided that the best way to go about it would be to talk to the board and then talk to @junseth about it before doing it. Then at this point I thought everything would be fine. I did however ask @brighton36 to wait on telling you @junseth before so that way we as the board can do this in the most appropriate manner.

    6. Lets stop for one second. So far at this point, I have tried my best to listen to the community that is not on the board, then discuss how we should do this moderation thing with another voted in board member. I dont have much experience with this kind of stuff and i know that chris does, so i discussed this with him (yes i did talk to other folks, but my future decisions would only be based on that of which me and chris discussed and no one else because me and chris are board members. As a community director i need to take into consideration all concerns that ANYONE has, not just those in the chit chat).

    7. So then i finished my shift and got back to the hotel and saw that chris posted in the original chit chat something along the lines of "I have a feeling that this chat isnt going away", then i seen someone change the new chat room to something along the lines of "The new moderated chit chat". This gave me the clue that @brighton36 did indeed tell you @junseth what i wanted to do.

    8. I panicked hard because i thought that shit was going to get out of control right then and there and someone was gonna start making accusations that i was sectretly trying to manipulate the chit chat. From those two clues i knew that chris told you what i wanted to do josh (even though i was still going to wait to see what the board wanted to do before announcing that i wanted to moderate the new room).

    9. Lets stop another second. Had i not seen that, we could have waited for the board to tell us what to do next instead of me making a impulsive decision. I think the board did an excellent job after this to just make the slack available instead of everyone at the skype. Had chris not told you (and yes chris confirmed later to me that he did indeed tell you even though he told me he wouldnt) then we would have just started the slack like the board said to, the skype would have the sharable link, and we wouldnt still be arguing almost a month later, and everyone would be happy. Remeber, im just a nice guy who is enthusiastic about counterparty and i feel am really helpful in just talking and teaching people, i know for a fact i dont have experience with this stuff which is why i wanted to wait for the board, but with chris telling you first it made me panic.

    10. So then i quickly tried to get ahead of it and just moderate it then and there and that was a really really bad mistake on my part. That ended up hurting both sides really bad and everyone was mad at me, and i deserved it because i executed poorly. But during all the accusations i was really dissapointed that chris did not share with anyone that i indeed called him and discussed with him, and he indeed told you before we could discuss it as a board. But up until this very post, i dont post private conversations between me and others without consent because they are PRIVATE, but you guys arent giving up so i guess im breaking on that front.

    11. Me and chris fought for a couple days on slack, but on October 23rd which is a friday, i said this to chris on slack: "I think we should really talk about this over the phone, and actually I think it would be a good idea to bring me on your show this week. Or you come on my show would be better lol, you guys would eat me up :D"

    12. Chris did not respond to me at all, and he ALWAYS responds to me. So i assumed he either wanted to let it die, or he wanted you guys to be able to talk about what had happened without me first.

    13. So the ladder above ended up being correct. I dont mind as much you guys hating on me on the BU that upcoming sunday, what was really disappointing is that Chris indeed allowed you to make accusations that LTB manipulated the whole thing even though @brighton36 damn well knew that wasnt the case.

    14. I made the descision right then and there that it is best for our two shows to go there seperate ways. I still mean what i said when i think you guys are valuable. You are skeptics and that is important, you are smart, chris is a board member, and you bring comedy to the space. If people want to be public figures in this space, they have to be ok with getting criticized by people like you and chris and i do think its important. Its hard to verify if everything you guys talk about is truth, because you guys talk in a way that actually is opinion only, which is really clever that you guys do it that way because it gives you something to fall back on. But you flat out lied about LTB manipulating me. You hate scammers and you actually scammed me.

    15. After the board meeting, the board made the slack and said that the skype is no longer official. I said i would focus being apart of the slack, that i wasnt going to take part in the chit chat anymore, chris will still be in the chit chat, and we would all just move past this. Then me and chris had a private meeting after the meeting and told him i lost respect for him after he didnt stick up for me, and i said it was really unfair that we didnt do a show together that week to discuss everything. I told him that you guys did that episode without inviting me because you wanted the first word, and you both knew it would piss me off enough to not want to host your show anymore that it also would indeed get you guys the last word. That was wrong and deceitful. I asked well in advance to come on your show or you to come on mine and you guys didnt even respond with a yes or no, just no response at all.

    16. But me and chris agreed that whats done is done, and talking any further about it would make it worse. WE BOTH agreed that just moving past it and having two seperate shows is for the best and to not make any bigger deal about it would be best for the project. To be fair, chris said it will appear that im kicking you off the show for the LTB accusations and i said thats fine, it will blow over after a week unless @junseth makes a big deal about it, and he said he cant control you which is true. I asked him to encourage the both of you to just drop it. I said if you want to do it in the chit chat that makes sense, but dont cause any more problems outside of that so this can just go away

    17. And up until this thread, you guys have been fine about it. Keep doing your BU, but come on, after you finaly get me to fully respond can we let this go? You know damn well LTB and @adam had nothing to do with me kicking you off the show. It was because a) your show isnt about counterparty anymore. Thats not me saying its not valuable, but my show needs to stay about counterparty b) you did indeed lie about what happened, and a lie of omission is still a lie. but for the good of the project i just wanted to take the high road, and let some people hate me, because i got news for you, most people do not care or even know about this damn chit chat fued.

    Please let it go and lets all move on

    • Robert Ross
    • Director of FoldingCoin Inc
    • Community Director for the Counterparty Foundation
    • Skype: foldingcoin
    • Twitter: @pooktwoFLDC
    • FLDC Twitter: @foldingcoin
    • Email: rross@foldingcoin.net
    • Alt Email: foldingcoin.net@gmail.com
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  • junseth

    Adam, I don't care about being labeled a liar. Your actions are your actions. Does it matter that you didn't know that we were talking to DRA? I suppose it does. It at least indemnifies you from being the censoror, I suppose.

    Again, I haven't made accusations. I have told you my personal impressions of your behavior. I believe you had something to do with Robert's decision. Robert says you didn't. I'm inclined to not believe that. You said you didn't give him a lot of LTBCOIN at the outset of him starting the podcast because that would be against the social contract. Fine. I'm inclined to believe what I was told by Robert initially, no matter what the market-value of those tokens are worth. As far as the other accusations you want to claim I leveled, the thread is here for anyone to look at and read. Your assessment of me leveling accusations at you is pretty unfounded, but again... whatever. I think it's inline with your behavior here and elsewhere. I like some of the shows on your network, and we would have happily been a part of it under the right circumstances. But we're not compromising our content for you. Asking hosts to compromise content, IMO, is censorship. You disagree. That's fine. But that's all I will say about that.

    As far as you making a category called "Liar" I'm happy to live there. It's false and further discredits you.

    @RenegadeMan you're right. I did get starry eyed with Fama. Hard not to. Frankly, our goal there was just to give a real economist a good opportunity to talk about Bitcoin. He did that. Bitcoiners can think what they want about it and mine and Chris's ability to interview. The content was, otherwise, good.

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  • adam

    Is the above post you completely dismissing Roberts timeline without comment?

    I'm glad you're accepting of the Liar rank, in 21 hours you'll have earned it. If you don't intend to actually prove any of your accusations (I think i'm not the only one who percieves your posts as accusatory towards lots of people but me specifically), there's really no need to keep posting here.

    As you say, the thread is here for everyone to see and i'm happy with leaving this to the perceptions of future readers if you are.

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  • junseth

    Is the above post you completely dismissing Roberts timeline without comment?

    Nope, it's me writing a post before I'd seen it. :)

    As far as the timeline is concerned, I don't know that that changes anything I said. He denies you had anything to do with the decision. That's his prerogative. I don't believe him.

    What else are you trying to insinuate Adam? I haven't brought up the chat here. I don't know that it's entirely relevant save for as a footnote in the story. The only goal in this thread was to let people know that we aren't on LTB anymore and where they can find us. You have decided to take it to a different level, and then are planning on leveraging your authority over the network to give me a label. I'm ok with that. I can give you other labels to give me if you'd like: child, fart-joker, scammer, butt-licker. You can feel free to append whatever label you'd like to my name :). I'll talk about it on my podcast where everyone can listen to it and decide for themselves.

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  • pooktwo

    @junseth

    Is the above post you completely dismissing Roberts timeline without comment?

    Nope, it's me writing a post before I'd seen it. :)

    As far as the timeline is concerned, I don't know that that changes anything I said. He denies you had anything to do with the decision. That's his prerogative. I don't believe him.

    What else are you trying to insinuate Adam? I haven't brought up the chat here. I don't know that it's entirely relevant save for as a footnote in the story. The only goal in this thread was to let people know that we aren't on LTB anymore and where they can find us. You have decided to take it to a different level, and then are planning on leveraging your authority over the network to give me a label. I'm ok with that. I can give you other labels to give me if you'd like: child, fart-joker, scammer, butt-licker. You can feel free to append whatever label you'd like to my name :). I'll talk about it on my podcast where everyone can listen to it and decide for themselves.

    The background of the chit chat ordeal was nessecary to explain my decision to part ways with BU

    • Robert Ross
    • Director of FoldingCoin Inc
    • Community Director for the Counterparty Foundation
    • Skype: foldingcoin
    • Twitter: @pooktwoFLDC
    • FLDC Twitter: @foldingcoin
    • Email: rross@foldingcoin.net
    • Alt Email: foldingcoin.net@gmail.com
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  • adam

    @junseth

    Is the above post you completely dismissing Roberts timeline without comment?

    Nope, it's me writing a post before I'd seen it. :)

    As far as the timeline is concerned, I don't know that that changes anything I said. He denies you had anything to do with the decision. That's his prerogative. I don't believe him.

    What else are you trying to insinuate Adam? I haven't brought up the chat here. I don't know that it's entirely relevant save for as a footnote in the story. The only goal in this thread was to let people know that we aren't on LTB anymore and where they can find us. You have decided to take it to a different level, and then are planning on leveraging your authority over the network to give me a label. I'm ok with that. I can give you other labels to give me if you'd like: child, fart-joker, scammer, butt-licker. You can feel free to append whatever label you'd like to my name :). I'll talk about it on my podcast where everyone can listen to it and decide for themselves.

    @adam At this point I think we can say that the bolded part is provably a lie. Do you disagree and have any evidence or hearsay to support it?

    @junseth We probably won't. We got kicked off the LTB network because Adam didn't like that we didn't like him censoring us. So his response was to throw a fit and censor us. Our thoughts: Whoooo cares? Haha.

    If you want to see our content on the LTB Network, I suggest you Email Adam. Let him know. But I don't think there is any world where that stubborn, bad-thinking butter will change his mind about anything.

    So you just get to say whatever you want about anyone, you don't have any proof and the person you said knows has told you flat out you're wrong with a detailed timeline, but you're still not wrong because.... ?

    Once again, you've really got nothing else? I'm the big villain in your story and that's your whole arsenal?

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  • junseth

    @Adam, my personal opinions about you are my personal opinions. You're the one trying to use your network to label me. If you want to be judge, jury, and executioner, that's fine. I don't care at all. It means that anyone who criticizes you or your network will have to fear Big Business Levine's unwarranted tag-hammer. It will affect you more than it affects me considering I do my best to let everyone know, I have no credibility or interest in it.

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